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Has the allure of Tokyo worn off for anyone else?

I recently went back to Southern California to visit my family for a few weeks and... I'm starting to think America might be a better place to start a family eventually.

1) The salary is higher. Way…
I recently went back to Southern California to visit my family for a few weeks and... I'm starting to think America might be a better place to start a family eventually.

1) The salary is higher. Way higher. I could be making maybe 90-150% more in the US than I'm currently earning in Tokyo given the current abysmal exchange rate. While it's true that cost of living is higher in the states... it's actually not that much higher if you calculate everything out.

Your job will likely cover your health insurance. I'm currently paying around 350,000 yen for a nice (but small) one bedroom in Minato. In LA I could get a much larger two bedroom on the westside close to the ocean for about 650,000 yen. Dining out is more expensive in America of course, due to the exchange rate, but without it, food is only like 30% more (remember, portions are also smaller in Japan) and you can just shop at places like costco.

So in terms of cost of living, you actually end up being able to save much more in America and be able to invest that, etc. It doesn't seem obvious, but you actually have a better financial quality of life in America if you have a white collar job.

2) Education and culture. I really loved Japan for the past 5 years, but I actually feel like Japanese people are kind of... "unworldly" sometimes. As a foreigner, I enjoyed it because it seemed like an alien world, and it was so much fun in my mid 20s... but as I get older I'm starting to see cracks in the system. I'm generalizing, but Japanese people seem to lack the ability to adapt to new situations. They are very proud of their cultures, and that's great, but they don't seem to know a lot of stuff about anything else. People like to think that they are quiet and polite and don't like to offer up their opinions, but I'm starting to realize it's because they don't actually have opinions. Like they literally just don't know much about anything outside of their unique culture.

On the contrary, Americans in major US cities are very well travelled, exposed to many different cultures, ethnicities, etc from a young age. Americans get made fun of for being dumb hillbillies, but in SF, NYC, LA, etc, I've met the most interesting people imaginable. America, for many reasons, mostly economic, still draws the best talent in the world and I kind of miss that. You can go to some high end bars in America and meet super cool, sociable people. In Tokyo, if you're speaking to Japanese people, even if they're sophisticated and doing interesting things, they still seem boring AF. Like everything for them revolves around "I'm a japanese person and this is my culture", whereas Americans seem more unique and interesting (sorry I know I'm being super offensive, but this is my perspective)

Japan is very safe, and the education is "good" but not great. I think it's a great environment for kids when they are young, but the education system and culture eventually turns people into submissive drones with little independent thinking or ability to forge their own way through life. I feel like the education system in Japan literally turns people into cogs. Again, I'm generalizing, but surely other people notice this.

In America, if you send your kid to an inner city school, he/she is likely fucked, but if you are able to live in a nicer area I think the schools are far superior to Japan's in almost every way except for demanding rote memorization, and excel particularly in being independent and creative.

As for colleges, it seems like the Japanese university system is not very rigorous. Very hard to get into a good school but you just cruise after being accepted. I went to University of Chicago and my courses were very demanding. I feel like I was challenged in college and push to my limits which prepared me for real life. Japanese people have a great work ethic, but when push comes to shove or if something goes wrong, I feel like they get frustrated easily and can't handle it, whereas American educated people can deal with adversity due to rigorous academic environments in university (talking about STEM degrees, idk about liberal arts degrees).

3) General malaise. I really, REALLY loved Japan when I first got here. It was so different, I love asian food, women, etc. The first 4 years were truly amazing and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything... but idk, it just doesn't feel like it can ever be my home. Obviously this will be the point where people disagree with me the most, but I'm just sort of over Japan now. It's not wonderful and fantastical anymore. It just feels like a country getting poorer by the minute, totally homogenized. I don't miss the homelessness and racial/political tensions in America, but, I really do actually miss the diversity. I miss talking to blacks and mexicans and asian americans, etc. I like the different perspectives whereas in Japan, I can literally predict with 98% accuracy what a Japanese person will say about any given subject.

Conclusion: I am confused.
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It's interesting that you mention University of Chicago because I think the comparison actually misses something about how people develop outside of formal education. I've met plenty of sharp, opinionated Japanese people in their 40s and 50s who went to less prestigious universities but spent their twenties traveling or working abroad. The issue might be more about who you're meeting and where. The salaryman track and the creative track in Tokyo barely intersect.

The financial math you laid out is hard to argue with, especially with the yen where it is now. But I'd think about what happens if the exchange rate shifts back to 110 yen to the dollar in a few years. That 650,000 yen two bedroom in LA is still 650,000 yen, but suddenly your Tokyo apartment feels cheaper and your Japanese salary goes further when you visit home. Currency fluctuations have a way of flipping these calculations on their head.

One thing I rarely see mentioned in these comparisons is the middle ground. There are plenty of American companies in Tokyo that pay US-level salaries adjusted for cost of living. A friend at a FAANG office in Roppongi is making around 25 million yen with bonuses, which at current rates is roughly $165k. His one bedroom in Azabu Juban costs 200,000 yen and his commute is seven minutes on foot. You don't get the diversity of LA, but the financial argument gets a lot weaker when you're on that kind of package.

I think the real decision

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I've been here 12 years and I get it. The salary thing is real - I know guys at foreign banks in Marunouchi who did the math and realized they'd be netting an extra $40k a year in New York even after paying Manhattan rent. But what you're describing about Japanese people lacking opinions, I'd push back a little. I think the issue is more that they have opinions they just won't share with a foreigner until they've known you for years. I've had conversations at 3am in Golden Gai with salarymen that were more genuine than anything I've heard from colleagues in the office.

The education point hits close to home though. I have a kid in public school in Setagaya and the elementary level is solid - they learn discipline and respect in ways American schools don't teach anymore. But I've talked to parents with kids in junior high and they describe exactly what you're worried about: the system starts squeezing out creativity around age 12 to focus on exam prep. My wife went through it and she admits she wasn't taught to question anything, just to absorb and repeat.

I think the real question is whether you want to raise kids who fit into Japan or kids who stand out. Both are valid, but you can't have both.

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I moved back to LA after six years in Tokyo for almost exactly these reasons, and I'd add one thing you didn't mention: the social isolation gets heavier as you get older. In your twenties, the novelty and convenience carry you. In your thirties, when you want to host a dinner party or have neighbors who actually check in on you, Tokyo's social structure starts feeling like a glass ceiling. My Japanese friends were wonderful, but I was always the one organizing things, always the one reaching out.

The salary math is brutal right now. I was making 12 million yen in Tokyo as a senior engineer and now I'm at $180k in Santa Monica. Even after the higher rent and taxes, my savings rate doubled. The trade-off is I now spend 45 minutes in traffic to get to work instead of a 15 minute train ride, and I genuinely miss the convenience of konbini breakfasts.

On the education front, I'd look at international schools in Tokyo if you're serious about staying. They're expensive, around 2-3 million yen a year, but they offer a completely different curriculum. Some of my colleagues with kids at Nishimachi or St. Mary's seem satisfied with the balance. Though at that point you're basically paying American private school tuition to live in Japan, which makes the financial argument even weaker.

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Where to Stay in Tokyo (2026)

🏙️ Shinjuku: The Heart of Tokyo
Shinjuku is perfect for first-timers who want nonstop energy, neon lights, and endless dining options. Budget travelers can stay near Shinjuku Station for easy acce…
🏙️ Shinjuku: The Heart of Tokyo
Shinjuku is perfect for first-timers who want nonstop energy, neon lights, and endless dining options. Budget travelers can stay near Shinjuku Station for easy access to the Yamanote Line, with hostels like Khaosan Tokyo Kabuki starting around $30 per night. For a splurge, the Park Hyatt Tokyo offers skyline views from $500 per night.

🌸 Shibuya: Trendy and Youthful
Shibuya is ideal for nightlife lovers and fashion-forward visitors, with the iconic Scramble Crossing right outside your door. Mid-range hotels like the Shibuya Excel Hotel Tokyu run $150-250 per night, while capsule hotels like Nine Hours Shibuya offer a budget option at $40. Families might prefer quieter streets just a 10-minute walk from the station.

🏯 Asakusa: Traditional and Budget-Friendly
Asakusa offers a glimpse of old Tokyo with Senso-ji Temple and Nakamise Street, perfect for culture seekers and families. Budget ryokans like Ryokan Asakusa Shigetsu start at $80 per night, including a traditional breakfast. The area is quieter at night, so night owls may want to stay closer to Ueno or Akihabara.

🌳 Ueno: Family-Friendly and Cultural
Ueno is excellent for families thanks to Ueno Park, the zoo, and several museums all within walking distance. Hotels like the Ueno Station Hostel Oriental I offer dorm beds from $25, while the Mitsui Garden Hotel Ueno costs around $120 per night. The area is well-connected by JR and metro lines, making day trips easy.

💻 Shibuya and Shinjuku for Digital Nomads
Digital nomads should look at Shibuya or Shinjuku for coworking spaces and reliable Wi-Fi. The Shibuya Stream building has a free coworking lounge, and nearby cafes like Fuglen Tokyo offer strong coffee and outlets. Monthly apartment rentals via services like Sakura House start around $1,000 in these areas.

🌆 Roppongi: Nightlife and Luxury
Roppongi is the go-to for upscale nightlife, with clubs like V2 Tokyo and high-end bars. Luxury hotels such as the Grand Hyatt Tokyo start at $400 per night, while business hotels like the Roppongi Plaza Hotel offer rooms from $100. The area is also close to art museums like Mori Art Museum.

🚃 Getting Around: Station Proximity Matters
Staying near a Yamanote Line station (Shinjuku, Shibuya, Tokyo, Ueno) saves time and money on transit. A 24-hour metro pass costs 800 yen and covers Tokyo Metro and Toei lines. Avoid staying too far from a station, as taxis are expensive (starting at 420 yen for the first kilometer).

💰 Price Tiers and Budget Tips
Budget travelers can find capsule hotels or hostels for $20-40 per night in areas like Asakusa or Ueno. Mid-range business hotels (Toyoko Inn, APA Hotels) average $80-120 per night. For luxury, expect $300-600 per night in central districts. Book early for cherry blossom season (late March to early April).
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honestly the guide nailed it but i'd throw in nakameguro for anyone visiting in spring. the canal walk during cherry blossom season is insane, way less crowded than ueno or shinjuku gyoen. plus there's a killer onigiri spot called Onigiri Bongo that sells out by noon, and the area has a ton of tiny wine bars and vintage shops. rooms at the Claska hotel start around $120 and it's a quick hop to shibuya on the tokyu line

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solid write-up, covers the big ones well. for my money, if you're a food nerd, staying near a good tsukemen or ramen spot is a legit strategy. i booked a hotel in takadanobaba once just cause i wanted to be walking distance from Taishoken, the tsukemen birthplace. that area is also full of student bars and cheap eats since Waseda Uni is there, rooms at the b:CONTE hotel run like $90 a night and it's two stops from Shinjuku on the Yamanote. way less tourist crush than Shibuya for late-night bowls

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This is a solid breakdown, really covers the main bases well. One thing I'd add for anyone staying in Shinjuku is that the station itself can be overwhelming even for locals, so picking a hotel on the west side near the Tokyo Metropolitan Government Building is a good hack. The views from the free observation deck there are just as good as the paid ones, and you avoid the chaos of the east exit. For cheap eats in that area, the basement floor of Takashimaya department store has incredible takeout bento boxes under 1,000 yen that beat most convenience store meals.

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